LazyNezumi
Back in 2009, Bal (1286 hits) asked me if I could write a program that would allow him to smooth his mouse movements when drawing.
The reference he had in mind was ZBrush’s LazyMouse (3071 hits) feature.
My program is called LazyNezumi, and while it doesn’t behave exactly the same way as LazyMouse, I think it’s pretty close. It binds itself to windows of desired drawing applications, and modifies the mouse/pen cursor position when it is enabled. This allows fun things like cursor movement smoothing, lagged drawing, and random noise.
Instructions and other info are in the included README.txt (3234 hits) file.
A list of major changes for each version is included in the CHANGELOG.txt (882 hits) file.
Download
Download the most recent version here:
LazyNezumi 10.3.3 (18207 hits)
And here is the most recent version of the apps.ini file (if you added entries yourself, make sure you keep those entries and add them to the new version):
apps.ini 12.3.2 (7084 hits)
If you downloaded this from somewhere else and would like to test the authenticity, here are the MD5 checksums for version 10.3.3:
lazyNezumi.exe: 2af633748142e0c0c7d43be061406dcd
mouseHook.dll: d1a65b36d5ade1bb907737aaa20826a3
mouseHook64.dll: fc57a719968522472990e6620dd62d42
Tutorial
Here’s a very cool tutorial (2100 hits) by ImACello.
Known Issues
LazyNezumi works with many apps out of the box, and the included apps.ini file contains settings that allow you to add support for other apps (please send me any new entries that work for you).
- All Wacom tablets should work correctly, but I’ve only tested with Intuos and Bamboo.
- This program has been tested to work on most Windows systems (32bit and 64bit).
- Some people have reported that it only works with certain apps when they are in “WinXP SP2 Compatibility Mode”.
- I’m sorry but there is no Mac support, and I don’t plan on ever providing any (this was already tricky enough to program for Windows, and I’ve never owned a Mac or programmed with them).
- For some tablets, LazyNezumi will not work correctly unless you are in Pen Mode.
- For applications with non GDI canvases (like Photoshop’s OpenGL canvas), you will not see the guide line or circle.
If you are having other problems, please contact me at kamihkamih[at]gmail[dot]com.
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July 30, 2009 at 3:05 am
Works really well with Xara Xtreme Pro – vector drawing application. Thanks.
August 7, 2009 at 9:58 am
Fantastic Idea. Tho, I feel very lucky it doesn’t support Intuos 2 >.<
Pretty please can you add support for it?
Thanks.
August 16, 2009 at 4:19 am
Works with Photoshop CS4 & Wacom Graphire 4 Classic,
but it wont stay on top of Photoshop. :/
Still its an awesome app, thanks. :)
August 16, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Poopascoop:
The 2009.08.16 version now supports all Wacom tablets, give it a try!
Felix:
Hmm that’s strange, the StayOnTop feature works fine for me.
What version of Windows are you using LazyNezumi with?
Oh and by the way, did you know you can toggle the enable button with Ctrl-F2? That way you don’t have to go to the LazyNezumi window every time.
August 17, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Hello, I found a copy of your first version, http://born-robotic.net/stuff/lazyNezumi.zip
and this is the only version that works on my computer ? how strange, ive tried the latest as well as 08-16 version, but none of them work in my mspaint program. Im not using more than one at a time, mspaint is not hooked prior to using the latest version, so you can rule out that.
Any help why the new versions dont work on my XP sp2?
August 17, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Wehn:
It should work fine in XPSP2/Paint, but I’ll be happy to look at the DbgView log (see README.txt for instructions).
August 18, 2009 at 6:56 am
Here they are, the 2 log files.
http://textsnip.com/1a9aae
http://textsnip.com/ad5920
August 18, 2009 at 7:21 am
I see alot of the same lines in the config.ini
mspaint.exe|AfxFrameOrView42u|Afx:1000000:8
mspaint.exe|AfxFrameOrView42u|Afx:1000000:8
mspaint.exe|AfxFrameOrView42u|Afx:1000000:8
I dont know for sure but it looks like its not comparing the string correctly,
maybe its comparing ansii and unicode?
August 24, 2009 at 10:04 am
tried it with tvpaint (www.tvpaint.com) and it seems to attach to the application window ok.
problem is it draws lazy with the mouse but not with the wacom tablet where the line and the circle delay is still dynamic and displays, but the drawn line itself still appears at the cursor.
For some time now I’ve hoped that some lazy mouse option would be implemented in TVPaint.
Sorry yours doesn’t work with the tablet :( but thank you for sharing your efforts.
August 24, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Very nice little app. I love the lazy mouse in ZBrush and this is a cool little app/tool to have for Photoshop. It really helps when making large gestural stokes! :)
August 24, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Just tested it using AR 3 Beta 10 on Vista Ultimate. Works great! Thanks. :)
August 24, 2009 at 9:40 pm
comment:
I’ll try to add tablet support for TVPaint. Check back in a couple of days.
August 25, 2009 at 12:04 am
fantastic kamih! “I’ll be baak”
Oh, BTW, TVPaint has a 30 day fully functional demo.
August 29, 2009 at 12:23 pm
comment:
New version (8.29) supports TVPaint! Check it out and let me know.
There are some problems with guide-line rendering (like in most other apps), but the basic LazyNezumi features work great.
August 29, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Kamih,
I tested the new version and it works well now with the stylus.
One slight problem: once enabled, adjusting a slider inside the LazyNezumi panel sets a lazyline start outside the drawing area so it’s already drawing when I move the crosshair over the canvas.
If I click once in TVPaint, outside the drawing area, that seems to cancel the lazyline, then I can start a new lazy line with the stylus in the drawing area. Not sure if fixing this just needs a tweak by you, but it can certainly be used as is.
Oh, also – the checkmark disappears for the “stay on top” option in the File menu even though the option is still in effect (at least for me it does.)
But the feel is exactly like Lazy Mouse in ZBrush! Well done.
I’ll post an link and a description on TVPaint for some of the other animators there who might find LazyNezumi useful.
Thanks again for taking the time to include TVPaint in your apps list.
Sven
August 29, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Sven:
glad you like it. Since TVPaint is a single-window app though, you’ll have to disable LazyNezumi before clicking anywhere in the app when you’re not drawing. There’s no way for me to fix this as I can’t know where the canvas area is.
And for the stayontop, I don’t get a check either. I never saw a check, did you?
But I noticed some minor other bugs in the GUI.. the lib I am using for that isn’t that great, someday when I have time I’ll redo it with QT or something.
August 29, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Kamih,
Yup, you’re correct – no checkmark on stay-on-top option – TVPaint has a few checkmark toggles…
One other thing: I tried editing the config.ini to change the hotkey to F11 (0, 007A) but had no luck, even with Shift-F11 (1, 007A). Does the LazyNezumi config.ini have to be somewhere other than in the same directory as LazyNezumi.exe?
Sven
August 29, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Sven:
Make sure you have LazyNezumi closed before you edit the config.ini, as it overwrites it on exit to store all the parameters.
I just tried 0 007A for F11 and it works correctly.
August 30, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Great little program, thanks! It seems to work fine with Photoshop CS3 in Vista Business 64bit, provided I run the program in XP SP2 compatibility mode, but I can’t get it to work with CS4.
August 30, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Dan:
your CS4 is probably a 64bit app. For now LazyNezumi doesn’t work with 64bit apps (it’s in my TODO list though).
Try to see if you can run CS4 in 32bit mode (they might provide a different exe).
August 30, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Right again, F11 works fine.
Sven
(p.s. digging the music)
August 31, 2009 at 12:14 am
Kamih,
I wonder if you could add a “randomize” check box (next to the enabled check box) that would reseed the noise for each stroke?
This could be useful for adding variation to multi-frame redraws of the same strokes and lines…
Sven
August 31, 2009 at 1:52 am
Sven,
I’m not sure I understand what you mean.
Send me an email with more details so we can discuss this.
August 31, 2009 at 10:36 am
Hey Kamih,
Thanks for putting up your app for download. I’m really interested, but can’t get it to work with TVP animation 9. I’m running LazyNezumi on Windows 7 x64 in xp sp2 compatibility mode. It works on Photoshop CS4 32bit (although I don’t seem to get any of the guides visible). But in TVP nothing is being affected.
Any idea?
Cheers,
A.
August 31, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Wow! Great tool Kamih! Ever since I saw LazyMouse in ZBrush I also wanted it for my other apps – thanks so much for creating this and your great support!
Some remarks that could help you developing:
1) I have Vista x64 and didn’t yet install my tablet after reinstalling windows recently.
After copying Wintab32.dll in system32 PsCS4 (32 bit ver) gave me this error several times while starting:
Photoshop.exe – Unable To Locate Component.
After I copied it to the Windows folder itself however, the error didn’t appear anymore and LN worked.
2) The Guideline & GuideCircle didn’t show up however.
I have an NVidia card and normally have the PS option ‘Enable OpenGL Drawing’ (Edit/Preferences/Performance) on so I can rotate my canvas and stuff. After switching that option off and restarting PS GuideLine & GuideCircle showed. They stopped working again after I turned the option back on again and restarted PS.
__
If it’s not to much (!) can I ask you if you could look into also supporting Adobe Illustrator? Using it with the Paintbrush, Pencil & new in CS4 Blob Brush Tools would be awesome! :)
Thanks again for puting your time & effort in this great little but powerfull tool for all of us.
Cheers,
Ron.
August 31, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Asaf:
Currently LazyNezumi does not work with 64bit applications (32bit apps installed on a 64bit OS should work though). If your TVP is 32bit it could work (you did try to attach it right? The current config.ini only has entries for TVP9ProDemo and TVP8). If you did attach it and it doesn’t work, send me a dbgview log via email (see README.txt for instructions) and I’ll see if I can help.
Jaxx:
1) Noted. I don’t have Vista, so I don’t know what search paths it uses to find DLLs.
2) Guidelines will not appear if you are doing OpenGL rendering in PS. This is a known problem and in my TODO.
I’ll look into Illustrator.
September 6, 2009 at 7:38 am
Hey dude,
The latest 9.9 beta worked a treat with my Wacom Intuos2 on Window 7 64bit. I couldn’t get previous version to work with this, my main setup, but now I’m smiling.
Your a legend for persisting.
Major thanks man.
September 7, 2009 at 3:00 am
Hi,
Excellent, and long waited stuff. I am using Vista64, the 9.9.7 works with it, although I can’t see neither the GuideLine nor the Circle.
September 7, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Hi Kamih,
As if you don’t have enough to worry about…
I wonder if your evolving cursor control skills might be applied to another kind of graphics intervention? This Escher Sketch Tool (seventeen symmetries) looks like something that might be adapted to your plugin tool or something like it. It would certainly streamline the making tiled patterns in ANY graphics package.
The creators of the Escher drawing tool have posted the source code at their site:
http://escher.epfl.ch/escher/
Sven
September 7, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Sven:
Several people have asked about a symmetry feature already, but I’m afraid that this type of thing has to be designed into an application from the start. There’s no easy way to hack it in unless I reverse engineer the target app completely but then it won’t be a generic solution and so it’s not worth the effort.
I’m currently looking into stroke record/playback stuff though, and if that ever works right, I could playback symmetrically, but it will never be ‘live’ like this escher tool or Alchemy.
September 8, 2009 at 12:22 am
Kamih,
Understood. In the case of TVPaint, a few people are already campaigning for a similar symmetry mode and the programmers may consider it after the imminent release of the 9.5 update. (here’s hoping.)
Anyway, I look forward to your record/playback feature… if you ever get that working that could be lots of fun! – meantime, once again, thanks for sharing all you’ve already done.
Sven
September 9, 2009 at 8:44 pm
im using it with topogun its a new retopology tool
http://forum.topogun.com/viewtopic.php?t=717
works good
xp pro 32 bit
thank
September 13, 2009 at 4:00 pm
your WinTab32.dll to c:\windows\system32\ gives zbrush a error on start up for me
i get a error on start up every time>(wintab services not available)
September 14, 2009 at 11:22 pm
this is an awesome app. thanks for sharing it.
September 15, 2009 at 1:23 pm
EZ:
With the latest version you don’t need to copy that DLL anymore. LazyNezumi checks to see if it’s already installed or not.
September 28, 2009 at 9:01 am
thanks on this neat tool kamh!
i was able to get it going on win7 PS64 and Silo. the smoothing parameters are very good, results are predictable. other than not having the GuideLine and GuideCircle works good (this is due to my system probably, as i recommended this to a friend on win7 and there it works good)
September 30, 2009 at 5:16 am
Great little app, I’m afraid its not working smoothly with my intuos 3 though. I’m on Vista64 using CS3.
Thanks
October 7, 2009 at 10:22 pm
on the new version it attaches to the hole window in zbrush and not just the canvas window plus it doesn’t give me 4 seconds it activates soon as your tool starts up.
plus with the hole window i cant select any thing out side the canvas because your tool is blocking it
when you check enable is when it should give you 4 seconds
October 7, 2009 at 11:21 pm
not sure but i tested the older version now im having the same problem
so it might be some thing on my end messing it up
October 8, 2009 at 10:13 pm
hey i got your app to load as a zbrush plugin so you dont have to click it from the desk top but the problem is in away it works in another way it doesn’t.
do you want the source code
you can e mail me at gbphd1@hotmail.com
i can give it to you or do you want me to give it to some one else i think might be able to fixs it?
October 9, 2009 at 9:31 pm
EZ:
the 4 second thing is only when attaching to a new app window. Then that goes in the settings and lazyNezumi will attach any windows it knows about as soon as it can. Since ZBrush only has one window, you have to disable nezumi when you are not drawing so that it doesn’t interfere with menus and stuff. Nothing more I can do about that, sorry.
October 11, 2009 at 12:54 am
ZBrush 3.5R2 just found out you do not have to disable nezumi when selecting a menus or moving the object
its now Right click to select a item or in light box its double right click to select a object and all so right click and drag the move the object you do not have to disable nezumi
October 20, 2009 at 7:11 am
wow! couldn’t believe my eyes! it’s working here with vista ultimate x64 and wacom intous3 in photoshop cs3!
feels like zbrush! :-) thank you very much!
robert
October 20, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Great App! Thanks for creating it.
It works perfectly with mouse but not my intuos4 large.
xp pro sp3 32bit, CS2, inutos4, using default LazyNezumi settings
The guide circle follows my pen movements but the cursor is projected to the left of it and moves with an increased jitter. The distance is controlled buy the smoothing slider. I’ve tried different tablet mapping settings but it still produces the same effect. But I can just put down my tablet pen and start using the mouse and then it works perfectly fine.
Is there anything I’m missing? Is the intuos4 unsupported? Thanks.
November 5, 2009 at 4:36 am
Reminded me a little of this 1989 work
http://www.graficaobscura.com/dyna/index.html
November 5, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Thanks a lot for a fantastic app. I´ve been looking for a lazy mouse app for Ps for a long time now. Works perfectly!
November 8, 2009 at 8:39 pm
PLEASE PLESAE support for Twisted Brush! PLEEEEEAAASSSEE!! :D
awesome job so far!!
November 13, 2009 at 6:20 am
Excellent…
You should take a look at illustrators “edit existing path”.
I can see that it’s not such a stretch to go from here to an “edit existing path” style software overlay…
(eg, you go over the line, and different parts of the line until you get it looking right, and THEN the nezumi software renders down the line in bitmap)
November 18, 2009 at 11:47 am
hey,
I have downloaded the latest version but unfortunately It doesn’t appear to work with my intous 2 graphics tablet. I’m using CS3. it works fine with the mouse but the tablet just freaks out. as soon as i put the pen to the tablet the cursor jumps off to the left and then stay to the left of where i draw.
i don’t know if this could possibly have somethgin to do with my dual monitor set-up? (though i would have thought not seeing as the mouse works :S)
does this sound like known issue that can be fixed? cheers
November 19, 2009 at 11:10 am
it dosent work on dual monitor system. flickering
November 26, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Great application (thanks) , but I get chaotic results in Xara Xtreme Pro v5.1.08917
Any clues why it isn’t working for me?
November 27, 2009 at 11:30 pm
There are problems with tablets in multi-display setups. I know about this but haven’t had time to test and debug it yet.
I’ll look into it when I get a chance.
December 3, 2009 at 12:53 am
I am running dual screens, but only experience the jumpy behaviour in Xara Xtreme – Lazy Nezumi works very well in ArtRage 25 and Photoshop CS4.
December 3, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Hey and thank you for this wonderful little app!
I dunno if this has been commented on/solved already, but I tried in out in CS4 on Win 7 x64 and CS4 draws over the guide circle/line. However, if I go into Edit > Preferences > Performance and disable “OpenGL Drawing” in the GPU setting, the guide tools are visible again! Just wanted to note it out, if it was troubling anyone else.
December 4, 2009 at 12:46 am
Hi Joakim,
yeah, the guide-line is drawn with normal GDI calls, so if you have an OpenGL canvas then they won’t work correctly.
Sorry but fixing this would be a lot of tricky work (and would be different for each application), so I don’t know when (or even if) I’ll ever get around to it…
Glad you like it anyways :)
December 7, 2009 at 4:05 am
I thought this was going to be useless for me in Windows 7 x64 with my Intuos 4 .
It was completely jumpy and drawing from somewhere unpredictable until I used the “Display Toggle” function for my tablet (essentially switches the Stylus to Pen Mode and locks to a single monitor) that made this program work at 100% and I find it extremely useful now. Thanks for this brilliant piece of work.
Anything like this for Mac OS X ?
December 22, 2009 at 6:06 am
I looked at this app w/ GREAT trepidation… and was shown my new favorite enhancement app… This thing is GREAT. I am not a fan of the ZB interface. LazyBrush is the only thing that makes it even remotely tolerable.
That having been said, my hand shakes quite a bit these days and I have been lusting after something like this for PS. I will be recommending it to all of my co-workers.
I will verify Ronnie Ho Hips’s findings that having an Intuos Tablet (his was 4, mine is 3) set for Mouse breaks the LaziNezumi Program pretty thoroughly. Setting the tablet to Pen is a bit of a pain, but it’s worth it for the functionality. Nice work… nice nice work.
Fixing the Tablet settings issue would make this pretty much bulletproof.
December 26, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Hi Kamih,
Was wondering if you would consider another tweak or two to LazyNezumi?
1. Either have it remember the “always on top” setting and the “Enabled” mode setting from one session to the next?
Alternatively, perhaps switches which could set those two things on startup: /t- /e- or some such.
2. It would also be really helpful if LazyNezumi could check if it is already running and not start up a second version of itself. I’m trying to setup a simple batch file that will let me run LazyNezumi before starting up TVPaint.
Thanks! Sven
February 1, 2010 at 2:37 pm
HI there
is there any chance of an OS X compile?
thanks
tom
February 9, 2010 at 12:28 am
Sorry, but no :(.
February 17, 2010 at 10:57 am
Hi! Gratz for the outstanding little tool, extremely helpful for regular photoshop usage. One app that I’m seriously missing proper support for is MODO. I’ve tested your app in XP SP2 with it and even with window capture it doesn’t work properly when using the paint tools. The “lazy line” seems to flicker in and out with no practical result. If you can get this to work I’m sure hundreds of Modo artists would become your instant fans :)
February 23, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Great, great, great app! I have wanted something like this for a long time for PS.
Is there a chance to get this to work in Illustrator? I can get the cursor/line but that’s it. Any suggestions?
February 26, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Well, for whatever reason, it looks like the new Wacom driver has zapped LazyNezumi. Thanks again Kamih for a great little plugin… loved it while it lasted.
March 1, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Sven, what do you mean zapped?!?
Ok that does it. I’m brushing the dust off the code and I’ll see if I can fix some stuff.
March 3, 2010 at 9:56 am
Sorry, I gotta take that back… it still works great with the new Wacom driver. I think it was simply a problem with my not attaching it properly to TVPaint.
apologies,
Sven
March 13, 2010 at 4:57 am
Im using windows 7 and photoshop cs2.
Lazy mouse works fine with my mouse, but when i use my tablet (intuos 3 with the latest drivers) the lazy mouse only draws sideways, that is to say, that it doesnt work. It just shifts the line over sideways perfectly totally negating the smoothing =(
Is there a way to work around this at all?
March 21, 2010 at 9:23 am
Hi, It’s great app and it help a lot. But sometimes after step back function(multi step undo) of photoshop CS4 it is disables randomly for one stroke, and re enables for next one. May be it’s just loosing focus of window for a time. And guide line and circle isn’t work at all. I guess it’s because of using hardware draw acceleration of work area in new photoshop. I use it on windows 7.
And I want to ask you about 2 improvements in usability of this program. It will be great if the window of this program will be standard Windows window instead of dialog style. It’s because windows 7 has a feature to dock windows to each other, But it does not apply for dialog style windows. To dock window you can drag it not only by the top title bar, but every edge of window. It can help to get the app from under the task bar if it’s placed in mac style on top of work table.
And second thing I’d like to ask is ability to minimize it to tray. It will be very comfortable. And for the very luxury, it will be great to see a drop down pop-up with settings when mouse over the system tray icon of the app.
April 5, 2010 at 12:31 am
Hey Kamih, works just fine on windows 7 64 bit, photoshop cs4, thanks a million!!!
ps. while you’re at it throw a Gravity modifier into the mix, lol
April 9, 2010 at 1:46 am
The gravity modifier is not ready yet.
April 15, 2010 at 8:15 am
Hey man this is awesome, thank you for bothering on creating this. Now the ctrl+Z days are over.
Thank you.
April 15, 2010 at 8:16 am
lol why is paraguay’s flag displayed on my comment?
April 16, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Nrai, glad you like it :).
Ah, the flags plugin doesn’t always work right, don’t worry about it ;)
May 2, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Gravity modifier?
By the way, do you think you could make this Open Source? I’d be glad to contribute.
May 8, 2010 at 1:14 pm
congratulations…this software began to Brazil, very good idea…….end surpriendly simple….
May 11, 2010 at 11:07 am
Hey there. I’ve found this site after some googling. I’m using win7, 64 bit and photoshop CS4 also 64 bit. I’ve tried this piece of wonder with my G-Pen M609 from Genius and it works like a charm. I just run the LazyNezumi.exe after i start photoshop, hit enable and everything works just great.
Thank you soooo much for this kamih. You’re awesome.
May 12, 2010 at 9:09 am
hey
thanks for a great program
works fine with cs5 using cs4 settings in the ini file.
I can’t get it to work in aliasstudio.
when im using the wacom pen, the program has no effect,if i using the mouse its works properly.
link (trial is available)
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=14437167&siteID=123112
it seems to be the same problems in alias sketchbook pro.
any help will be highly appreciated
May 14, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Awesome app! Problem though. It doesn’t work in cs5 64. Works great in Win 7 64 CS4 PS(64). Hope this is something that can be fixed easy. CS5 seems to have a bit of a bug. The longer your draw on a doc, the more gaggy your slow sweeping lines you draw get. It’s really frustrating.
Hope you can help.
Wayne
May 14, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Edited the ini. it it now works in CS5!
Sorry for the extra post.
Wayne
May 15, 2010 at 5:12 pm
I would like to see this on linux! :o
May 15, 2010 at 7:15 pm
I’m planning on making the mouse coordinate smoothing code open source, so anybody can use it in their apps if they wish. It’s really not complicated, but it might motivate some people to try to add this sort of feature.
May 16, 2010 at 3:22 am
You rock. seriously. Thank you. :)
May 31, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Amazing! I’ve been wanting this ever since I used lazy mouse for zbrush. I can’t thank you enough. Thanks buddy!
June 25, 2010 at 6:08 am
EZ said it can work with Topogun.
How do you add an app?
Thanks.
June 29, 2010 at 8:53 am
How do you add an application please?
(Topogun has this implemented now I have read)
July 28, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Would it be possible to have smoothing outside of a canvas and not only during paint strokes? I ask this because it could really ease the impact of my moms tremor. “I can draw smooth lines again, but color picking is still tough!”
August 4, 2010 at 11:52 am
Amazing Application! works amazing with Windows 7, Photoshop CS4 and a wacom intous 3
August 5, 2010 at 1:00 am
Arggghh!! How the wankers at Adobe could release Photoshop CS5 without adding in a native lazy mouse feature is beyond me. I would also dearly like to see a “lock to path” feature, in which your brush strokes would be constrained to a path. This would allow you to emphasize a line in any way you wish.
Nothing for it but to round them up and shoot them all, I suppose. Shame, they seemed like a fairly talented bunch of programmers.
I kid, I kid. Anyway, I wanted to add a couple of troubleshooting tips that may help those struggling with LazyNezumi.
1) The “stay on top” option works just fine for me, but I notice that when its selected no checkmark appears beside it. This makes it a little confusing to tell at first glance whether the feature is turned on or off. I suspect the person who was having trouble with this (see above comments somewhere) noticed the absence of the checkmark, clicked on the option to enable it, and so inadvertently turned it OFF.
Perhaps the checkmark issue could be corrected in a future version?
2) For those using Wacom tablets, make sure you are using Pen mode, and not Mouse mode. Mouse mode is more convenient for those like me who have large tablets, but it causes extremely erratic behaviour when using LazyNezumi (read: it becomes unusable). I keep the Wacom preferences utility open while I work so that I can switch back and forth as I work. Awkward, but having access to LazyNezumi is worth it.
Hope this helps. For the record, I am using Windows 7, Photoshop CS4, and a Wacom Intuos 3 9×12 tablet.
Awesome utility, by the way. Please continue to work at it and enhance it.
August 22, 2010 at 2:51 pm
This would be so awesome for Mac OS X
Sad face.
August 29, 2010 at 9:40 am
It works with my Trust tablet!!! Finally smooth lines whithout having to buy another tablet! Works perfectly for me <3 ahh thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
I searched forever for a utility like this, simply great!
August 31, 2010 at 7:47 am
Hi, i’ve never been able to get this to work without it skipping over to the left and up a bit, some others have had this problem from what i’m reading but i’m not sure of a solution. I’m guessing it might have something to do with Dual Monitors, any chance on updating that? thanks
xp64 CS5
August 31, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Hey, could someone help me figure out how to configure Nezumi for Flame Painter?
(http://flame.escapemotions.com/)
Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks!
By the way: Lazy Nezumi is a great little tool!
September 2, 2010 at 9:29 am
I finally got it to work!
Deleting the wacom preferences did the trick.
Thanks for this program so much!
September 16, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@spby
Thanks for sharing the deletion of the wacom preferences. I had the same “skipping over to the left” problems on Win7 Pro 64bit and the Gimp.
I’ve done a video showing how LazyNezumi can be used to compensate for the cursor jitter/interference on DIY Cintiqs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE1784a6MRo
Cheers
October 9, 2010 at 1:41 am
I wanted to say thank you for this AMAZING tool. You are a lifesaver, I cannot even begin to express this enough. I learned about LazyNezumi via my boyfriend who works at a game studio. His concept artists use LN and they love it too! You are awesome!
October 9, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Thank you for the kind words! I’m very happy that everyone likes it :).
October 18, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Heya Kamih,
Did you have a chance to look at support for Illustrator? (I’m using cs5 now but cs4 would also be cool) :)
Great to see you’re having such great responses!
October 25, 2010 at 11:54 am
Can you please create a mac osx version, I really need this in photoshop cs5.
October 29, 2010 at 4:50 am
Unfortunately, with intuos3, that doesn’t work in mouse mode with photoshop, while it works with ms paint. Can you fix that ? Otherwise it’s a wonderful program.
October 30, 2010 at 2:01 am
SunJ: No. I don’t have a mac and don’t plan on ever getting one.
Veritas: I’ll look into this cause you’re not the first person who complains about mouse mode. Not very motivated right now though :).
Jaxx: I’ll look into it.
November 1, 2010 at 11:54 am
Hi Kamih,
Great program!!! Ive read it in some comments above… Got CS3 and a Intuos 3 wacom! LazyNezumi only works with the mouse, not with the wacom. (got dual monitors as well) Anyway to fix this yet?
Best wishes
November 5, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Hey Kamih!
Nice program! I have some troubles with Win 7, CS4 and Intous 4.
If I use the mouse it seems to work fine (can’t see guideline or guidecircle, but thats not the problem), but if I use the tablet the cursor moves to the right and up.
Any suggestions how I can fix this ?
Cheers!
November 6, 2010 at 12:39 pm
sNeb, try deleting your wacom settings, or switching to Pen Mode.
This is a known issue and I’ll try to fix it when I get the chance..
November 24, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Hi Kamih!
Would you please release the code?? I have a diy cintiq and I only use linux . I work with gimp, inkscape, mypaint, blender…
Cheers!
December 5, 2010 at 1:10 am
Great tool! Thanks!
LazyNezumi 10.3.3
Works with XP 64, CS5 (64bit) and Bamboo.
December 15, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Hi, Kamih.
I had the pleasure of using LazyNezumi on my work computer and it blew me away. It worked like a charm. I have Vista and CS3 and LazyNezumi worked right off the bat but now I am trying it on my home computer and it looks like there’s a problem mapping the screen. I have Vista 64 bits and Photoshop CS5 64. When I draw the lines appear somewhere else on the screen and I can’t control them. Could someone here tell me what I can do to fix the problem?
January 5, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Any luck fixing that Wacom issue? I’m on a 21UX Cintiq, WinXP 64bit, CS5
January 19, 2011 at 6:14 am
Wow this is awesome! I’ve been wanting lazy mouse for other apps for so long.. really glad you made it!
one thing though.. I noticed when try to do quick strokes photoshop tries to complete the stroke by jumping from the lazy mouse location to the actual cursor location.. I made a video of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_W5c1CKe0
January 22, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Oh my god, thank you thank you thank you. This is perfect for my next project.
January 28, 2011 at 4:21 am
aw just found out it doesn’t work in modo.. Like bruno said earlier in the comments, the modo community would adore a tool like this.
February 7, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Hi, Kamih.
I am using windows 7 64 and Photoshop CS4 64 bit. I use a Cintiq 21UX. Your program works as long as i only use the mouse. When I use the pen it is off set at an angle and is useless. It does the same thing in Painter 11 as in PS. Your program would be a great help if I could just get it to work on my system.
I would appreciate any advise you can give me.
February 24, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Hi please please make a mac version, ud be so much more popular !! please
March 13, 2011 at 4:23 pm
oooooh now that is nice, thanks a million!! Working on PS5 XP64! Really Really useful, thanks again.
March 15, 2011 at 11:31 am
hey this sounds awesome, but doesn’t work with my cintiq, hope so soon!
March 22, 2011 at 9:39 am
Hey, I’m using PS CS5 on win 7 64 bit. This doesn’t seem to work. Any support here?
April 15, 2011 at 10:05 am
Hi!
Can you help to add a Sketch book Pro and Designer support to your great tool? Thanks.
BTW didn’t you thought about release it as open source?
April 16, 2011 at 8:21 am
hello. i have win 7 and bodypaint R12. does lazynezumi work with bodypaint R12?
i can not make it to work. please help
April 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Awesome app! Whenever I run out of felt nibs for my Cintiq it’s much harder to draw correct lines because of the smoothness of the tablet against plastic. But this one helps a lot!
Just writing to say it works perfectly good with my Cintiq 12WX. I have a suggestion for an improvement though. A key-bindable feature to “switch” between two different settings =)
April 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Just to clarify, I’m using Cintiq 12WX, Windows 7 X64. Works in both PS CS5 and Painter.
July 21, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Wow. Thanks !
August 3, 2011 at 4:06 am
Hi,
Great application. Though I notice when I place the pen on the tablet a short line appears before drawing the stroke. I didn’t notice anyone else with that problem.
Any ideas?
I am running XP SP3 with Intuos4 and using Photoshop CS3.
Thanks,
John
August 30, 2011 at 4:36 pm
For anyone that is still having problems with lazymouse and photoshop cs5.. I don’t remember what I did, but my apps.ini is working, but the provided one (10.7.19) hasn’t been working for my co-workers.
Get it here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36289/Transfer/LazyNezumi/apps.ini
September 30, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Locks up Explorer Windows 7×64 on my HP Tablet PC (TX2500) – machine has to be reset
Works perfect on my Windows XPx86 machine & CS4
October 19, 2011 at 5:04 am
Hello :)
This Tool seems very promising but unfortunately i can’t make it work. I’m on win7 64and CS5 64
It does recognise photoshop but for some reason the app work in every windows (menu bars, background layers) BUT the main windows (canvas)
Does the settings have to be changed into the App file? i’ve tried with the attch to window option, all my psd menus are flickering with red frame but in the end there’s no change. The lazy mouse works everywhere but in teh canvas. Does anyone have the same problem or knows how to solve it?
Thanks
October 19, 2011 at 9:13 am
Hello
This Tool seems very promising but unfortunately i can’t make it work. I’m on win7 64and CS5 64 (v12.0.4) with an intuos 4
It does recognise photoshop but for some reason the app work in every windows (menu bars, background, layers) BUT the main windows (canvas)
Does the settings have to be changed into the App file? i’ve tried with the attch to window option, all my psd menus are flickering with red frame but in the end there’s no change. The lazy mouse works everywhere but in the canvas. Does anyone have the same problem or knows how to solve it?
Thanks
November 13, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Nikko: I linked to my apps.ini a bit ago which I think might fix your problem. At the time I couldn’t remember what I did to fix it, but I remember now.
I’ll write it how to get it to work for future reference for everyone. If you’re using the latest version of photoshop, the directory changed from Photoshop CS5 to Photoshop CS5.1, which is what messed up LazyNezumi. All you have to do is copy the old photoshop cs5 entry in apps.ini and change “CS5″ to “CS5.1″
So your new entries (32 and 64 bit) should look like this:
—– snip
AppName=CS5.1\Photoshop.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|PSViewC
HookGetCursorPos=TRUE
HookPeekMessageW=TRUE
AppName=CS5.1 (64 Bit)\Photoshop.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|PSViewC
HookGetCursorPos=TRUE
HookPeekMessageW=TRUE
——- /snip
Hope that helps.
December 3, 2011 at 10:36 am
How much would it cost you to port this to the mac osx I’m willing to pay up to $30 dollars to have it ported.
I need it for mac Snow Leopard
December 14, 2011 at 3:46 am
how to find the WindowClassName of flash 8
January 18, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Thanx mate
“THIS IS AWESOME ”
WORKS ON X64 WIN7 PSCS5.1
January 22, 2012 at 4:44 pm
This even works for Adobe Photoshop CS6, open the apps.ini and add the following lines.
AppName=CS6\Photoshop.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|PSViewC
HookGetCursorPos=TRUE
HookPeekMessageW=TRUE
AppName=CS6 (64 Bit)\Photoshop.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|PSViewC
HookGetCursorPos=TRUE
HookPeekMessageW=TRUE
January 26, 2012 at 8:31 am
Hi just wanted, to share a tip how to use it in Illustrator and Flash CS5. First you must run LazyNezumi and then go to File>Attach to window, and then click on illustrator paint area do the same with Flash. Close LazyNezumi and open apps.ini file you should find lines similar to this :
AppName=\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Flash CS5\Flash.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|AfxFrameOrView90u
AppName=\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Illustrator CS5\Support Files\Contents\Windows\Illustrator.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|Static
so you must add additional option to these entries
HookMouseMove=FALSE
HookGetCursorPos=TRUE
so they should look like this
AppName=\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Flash CS5\Flash.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|AfxFrameOrView90u
HookMouseMove=FALSE
HookGetCursorPos=TRUE
AppName=\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Illustrator CS5\Support Files\Contents\Windows\Illustrator.exe
WindowClassName=OWL.Document|Static
HookMouseMove=FALSE
HookGetCursorPos=TRUE
Save apps.ini and load LazyNezumi again now it should work :)
March 1, 2012 at 6:07 am
Hi,
Thanks for sharing your work.
I have some issues with PS CS5 64, an Intuos4 and Win 7. When I launch lazynezumi and hover over PS, I keep having a prompt that pop up and immediately close every few seconds. In the meanwhile, the app doesn’t seems to hook in with my tablet.
If I try to “attach to window”, then all the Phtotshop CS5 related entries are removed from apps.ini. I’ve tried the last apps.ini and another one that someone provided in here, but I can’t get it to work. I’ve also tried to launch it from a prompt, but the application doesn’t output any message.
Can someone help? Having lazynezumi to work would way improve my workflow.
Thanks again.
March 1, 2012 at 6:20 am
Ok, I’ve run DbgView:
It seem to start properly, but it may have a problem with the process injection mechanism:
[5904] LazyNezumi – LazyNezumi::loadAppInfo(): Loading app settings from apps.ini…
At this point, the application loop over this sequence:
[5904] LazyNezumi – LazyNezumi::mainThreadProc(): Found target process: 4712 (CS5 (64 Bit)\Photoshop). Attempting dll injection…
[5904] LazyNezumi – InjectDLLIntoProcess(): 64-bit process detected, calling inject64.exe 4712 “C:\Users\xxx\bin\LazyNezumi 10.3.3\mouseHook64.dll”
[3564] Inv(6) OK, 0×0, retVT(0×3), ErrArg(0)
[3564] Inv(6) OK, 0×0, retVT(0×3), ErrArg(0)
[3564] Inv(6) OK, 0×0, retVT(0×3), ErrArg(0)
[5904] LazyNezumi – LazyNezumi::mainThreadProc(): Timeout while waiting for creation of message window.
[3564] Inv(6) OK, 0×0, retVT(0×3), ErrArg(0)
[3564] Inv(6) OK, 0×0, retVT(0×3), ErrArg(0)
[3564] Inv(6) OK, 0×0, retVT(0×3), ErrArg(0)
I can’t help, I’m really not a Windows dev guy.
Any idea?
March 14, 2012 at 1:10 am
How do I get this to work with Photoshop Elements(8.0)?
I’m on windows 7, it works with GIMP but not with elements? Help me?
March 21, 2012 at 12:46 am
This isn’t working for my Tablet PC.
I’m using an HP TX2510us with W7 64 installed after-market. Using a mouse or the tablet with the program open has no effect. I’ve tried running in compatibility for XP SP3 and XP SP2.
This program works absolutely perfectly on my other W7 64 machine, using mouse and a UC-Logic tablet.
Any ideas on how to fix this issue?
March 21, 2012 at 1:04 am
Hey, me again! Turns out it wasn’t the hardware or the OS… but rather the program I was using! I’m currently running an unstable build of GIMP (2.7.5), and it’s apparently unsupported. I’ll try to follow the instructions to add support.. I’ll give you my results.
March 21, 2012 at 1:45 am
No luck getting it working with Gimp 2.7.5 :(
March 24, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Any chance I could get some help getting this to work in Autodesk Sketchbook Pro?It hooks the window but, as another person mentioned, has no effect?
March 28, 2012 at 2:44 am
I am running Win7 64bit and Photoshop CS 5/5.1 64bit and 32bit and cannot get it to work… PLEASE HELP!!!!!
March 28, 2012 at 4:09 am
I tried to get it to work with Win7 64bit and CS 5.5and 5. in 32 and 64bit modes and cannot get it to work!!! any and all help please?!
April 3, 2012 at 1:19 am
This makes an incredible difference. I love you.
April 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Thank you! Works beautifully with GIMP!!! YAY!!!
April 4, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Hello, I’m using Photoshop CS4 and a Wacom Bamboo tablet. The program doesn’t seem to be working for me…any tips? Thanks~
April 11, 2012 at 7:10 am
Thats an excelent software, i cant thank you enought!
Any plans to cs6?
April 25, 2012 at 1:59 am
I’m running on Windows 7 64-bit, Adobe Photoshop CS5 and a Wacom Bamboo Pen & Touch.
LazyNezumi detects photoshop just fine, however when i attempt draw the brush makes it’s strokes a fair ways to the right of where the actual cursor is, and in addition to that instead of making nice, smooth lines i get something more along the lines of an electrocardiogram.
I have taken a screenshot and illustrated it to help explain what is going on. http://i45.tinypic.com/x57c51.jpg
Any ideas on why it’s doing this and what the solution might be?
May 2, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Rodrigo, it should work with CS6, just copy the CS4/5 entries from the apps.ini and edit the paths so that it points to CS6.
Jordan, try switching to Pen Mode in your Wacom settings. I don’t know why it does this for some people, for me it works fine in both modes.
May 7, 2012 at 9:46 am
Thanks for reply!! ^__^ I`ll try.
May 7, 2012 at 11:25 am
Thanks again Kanih, it works!!
The only thing I get is everytime I started the program, the apps.ini changed the entries to default. So I changed the file properties to “read only” and works like a charm!
May 11, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Wow thanks a lot! I’ve having to ink my line-art outside of Photoshop for years and it always annoyed me so this is a godsend!
I’m gonna donate as soon as i get my next paycheck – i promise! ;)
Some notes on how i use to ink in Photoshop:
I turn the radius to 0 but smotthing between 60 and 100 – it works perfectly! :D
I don’t see the guide curve or line in PS CS5 64bit but frankly i don’t miss it all,
Thanks again dude!
May 17, 2012 at 8:24 am
Say, would it be possible to make a new feature for this sweet little program?
Namely, one where only the tablet pressure inputs get smoothed out. :)
Because smooth lines are good and all, but when you’re already zoomed in by 400+%, a non jittery result would be a godsend.
For an example of what I mean by jittery results, have at thee:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/Stuff/UFCK.png
Note the randomly appearing pixels that are either too bright or too dark.
That’s what happens when you’re stroking out stuff quite fast;
Your pen bumps around quite a bit with the fast, broad strokes – and that can’t be good for holding a steady level of pressure. (And thus that kind of noise pops up.)
But generally, this thing is great. (The bug with the hook just stopping seems to be gone too.) :-)
May 17, 2012 at 8:45 am
Oh, and here’s why I’d like that feature: (GOD am I pissy now that my previous post is gone because I apparently didn’t pass the math.)
I usually prefer to use 10 quick strokes over one long one, and if all of them are slower, things get a bit tedious.
And due to the speed of these strokes, the pressure goes bananas too.
So if I could have something to smooth the pressure out, but NOT the strokes, I’d be a happy banana. :-)
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May 29, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Bloax,
I have some more free time now so I’m going to try this.
Send me an email if you want to discuss details.
June 6, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Kamih, since you have some free time..please, please, please make somehow, anyhow, even if it’s slightly 0,01% possible, this plugin for Mac PS users! :/
June 11, 2012 at 11:21 am
I agree with Klaudio, please design this for Mac. I would gladly pay $40 for this to work on a mac. I work on a mac everyday at my job, and a tool like this would be invaluable.
June 21, 2012 at 8:02 am
Hi, this app is awesome!…
But i have some problems with, Photoshop CS5 x64 and Wacom Intuos 4..
If i use the mouse to draw, it`s appears ok! but the line and radius do no show!..
And if i use the pen in the tablet, i cant draw!.. they just make a strait line and mess up everything!!
What can i try??
This will be awesome if works with Wacon Intuos 4 and pen pressure!
If i can help plz email me and we can figure out how to solve this!..
Maybe i can provide the drivers files, i don`t know!.. If i can help!
Thx, plz! =D
Good work!
June 21, 2012 at 8:30 am
Hi again,,
i see the post up there, and this problem with intuos 4, just happen when u use the pen in a mouse mode… with u use the pen in pen mode, there`s no problem…
But will be awesome with u can solve this little problem! =D
And the radius and guide line does`t show!
Sorry my bad english! =D
December 29, 2012 at 10:38 pm
You’ve made a great program that’s helped many people! Kudos and well wishes :)
February 5, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Hey, Thanks for this…Awesome :)
February 26, 2013 at 1:04 am
I thought it was christmas, I thought all my troubles were over, I thought I had seen the light, I thought…
No mac support.
Why must you hurt me in this way.
February 26, 2013 at 1:41 am
You hurt yourself by buying Apple products.
:D
February 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Shame that it does not seem to work with gimp 2.8 & wacom cth-470 combo. My hands are really shaky and I can’t draw geometry because of that :/
February 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Does this work with Windows 8? :D
February 26, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Who knows?!
Not me that’s for sure :D
February 27, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Confirming that this program works with Monoprice tablets in SAI! Don’t know about any other programs.
March 2, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Its too bad I can’t get my tablet to work with this program. :P
I have a Hanvon GraphicPal 0806 and it won’t draw a thing on photoshop, and has no effect in SAI.
March 7, 2013 at 12:06 am
Hi,
Thanks for bringing into the world a really great app. This greatly helps me in my projects :) However, just a question: I am using Photoshop CS4 32 bit and although it works perfectly, a “C:\WINDOWS\systems32\cmd.exe” window appears and disappears like every few seconds and can get pretty annoying. I just copied over the mouseHook.dll into my PS directory, opened Photoshop, and launched the lazyNezumi.exe. Is there anything I should do to prevent the systems window to appear all the time? Other than that, everything works fine. Thanks a lot!
March 10, 2013 at 4:53 am
I love you.
March 16, 2013 at 5:47 pm
I just tried this out with Paint Tool Sai (and a Genius tablet), and it works great! There’s only one problem I can see, which is that the red box continues to flash around all of the program’s individual tools as well as the canvas, even while it’s in use after it’s been attached to the canvas. Is there a way to fix that? It doesn’t seem to cause any practical problems AFAIK, but it’s kind of a pain.
March 16, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Yeah I know about this problem. This is because nezumi hooks windows with a specific class name. Some programs, like Sai and Gimp, use the same class name for all their internal windows, so nezumi has no way to know which one is the canvas, and hooks them all.
Enough people have complained about this, so I’m going to update nezumi soon so that it uses a manual attach to window function that just uses the window ID.
March 16, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for letting me know; I’ll keep an eye out for the update.
March 20, 2013 at 4:42 pm
@CyberStarslap
Try adding MinWindowSize to the sai settings in apps.ini. You may need to tweak it depending on your resolution, but it works for me.
mine looks like this:
AppName=sai
WindowClassName=sfl_window_class|sfl_window_class
MinWindowSize=700 600
March 21, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Did you ever get around to releasing the source for this? I would love to see how it works. Neat program, thanks for putting it out there.
March 27, 2013 at 8:49 am
So, my download was 16k, any prize:D? Great soft btw.
March 29, 2013 at 12:02 am
Heartbreaking that this doesn’t have a mac version, I’d love to give it a try as I think it would make digital inking so much faster for me ;_;
March 29, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Will this work on Windows8 systems?
March 29, 2013 at 7:09 pm
reafu: I don’t know. I don’t plan on upgrading to Windows8, so you’ll have to let me know. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work though.
April 13, 2013 at 5:02 pm
oh my gosh
jsut got it to work and i love it <3
April 14, 2013 at 4:29 pm
THX YOU!
April 16, 2013 at 4:24 am
Thank you very much, this app’s help my workflow a lot.
I’m ran on Vista 32bit, no ploblem at all.
April 21, 2013 at 12:00 am
I’m on windows 7, using Photoshop CS5 64 bit and while it does the red attaching thing (after I edited the Apps file), it has zero effect on my lines even when i wildly change the settings. :(
April 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm
This is great
Thanks so much!